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Can Trump Mobilize the Military Without California's Consent?

Strict Scrutiny

Strict Scrutiny

News, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Government

4.65.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2025

⏱️ 103 minutes

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Summary

Melissa, Kate, and Leah can smell the fascism in the air as President Trump forces troops on California protesters. They discuss how he is (yet again) pushing the boundaries of authoritarianism, provide an update on the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, and unpack another flurry of Supreme Court Opinions. Then, they talk trans rights with Chase Strangio, deputy director for transgender justice and staff attorney with the ACLU. Finally, a bit of fun with a game about iconic breakups–political and otherwise. This episode was recorded live from Sony Hall in New York City. 

Hosts’ favorite things:
Kate: “How 2000s Culture Messed Us Up”, (The Culture Study Podcast); “Delay, Interfere, Undermine”, T. Christian Miller and Sebastian Rotella (ProPublica); Federalizing the California National Guard, Steve Vladek (One First)

Leah: This Is What Autocracy Looks Like, Michelle Goldberg (NYT); Argent, who dressed the hosts for the show

Melissa: What the Hell Is Posse Comitatus Anyway? Elie Mystal (The Nation); The Better Sister (Prime Video); Sarah Sclarandis’ shoes

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0:00.0

Strict scrutiny is brought to you by Americans United for separation of church and state.

0:04.6

You don't destroy 250 years of secular democracy without gutting precedent, shattering norms,

0:10.1

and dropping a few billion. The same people and groups that back Project 2025 are part of a

0:16.0

larger shadow network that's relentlessly pushing to impose a Christian nationalist agenda on our laws and our lives.

0:23.3

Church state separation is the bulwark blocking their agenda. One of the last bastions of church

0:28.7

state separation is our public school system. So they are pushing vouchers everywhere. They're

0:34.0

arguing for religious public schools. Yes, you heard that right. Religious public schools.

0:39.2

And they've been pushing for it at the Supreme Court. The case was recently decided.

0:43.5

Happily, they failed this time, but they're going to be pushing again. And we are going to see

0:48.1

the same kind of question bubble up to the court once again. We've talked about this.

0:53.1

So if you're listening to strict scrutiny,

0:55.1

you already see the writing on the wall and you know that we can and we must fight back. So join

1:01.7

Americans United for Separation of Church and State and their growing movement because church

1:05.9

state separation protects us all. Learn more and get involved at AU.org forward slash crooked.

1:13.6

Hey listeners, it's Melissa Murray here. Before we get to the rest of the show, I want to tell

1:17.9

you about amicus. It's a weekly podcast about the U.S. Supreme Court that's hosted by

1:22.9

our friends, Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern. Their perspectives on the Supreme Court, and indeed

1:28.6

the fight for democracy, is absolutely essential listening. This June, Emacus is in full opinion

1:34.4

paloosa mode, dropping emergency episodes when the biggest decisions come down and sharing incisive

1:39.4

analysis of the power struggle between SCOTUS and POTUS with some of the smartest court

1:43.6

watchers out there in fresh episodes every Saturday.

1:46.6

You might actually even hear one of us

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