Can Trump Make Peace in Ukraine? (Robert Wright & Anatol Lieven)

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🗓️ 30 April 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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0:28 The state of play in Russia-Ukraine 4:02 Anatol: Here’s how the war could end 12:35 Which side wants peace more? 20:18 Why hasn’t Trump used his leverage? 24:37 Anatol’s plan for peace 32:47 What Russia-Ukraine reveals about the military-industrial complex 39:48 What Trump's military purges reveal about his presidency 43:21 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Anatol Lieven (The Quincy Institute). Recorded April 29, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

Decoding the Signal-gate madness. Could Trump pull off a new Iran deal? India-Pakistan and its parallels to Russia-Ukraine. Why isn't Trump tougher on Modi and Putin, really? AI, China-hawkism, and other existential threats. Why is US foreign policy discourse so bad?

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast. You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.
0:27.6	Hi, Anatole.
0:30.6	Hello, there.
0:31.6	How you doing?
0:33.6	Could be worse.
0:35.6	Oh, yeah?
0:36.6	How about it?
0:37.7	What would make things even worse than they are in the world today?
0:40.5	Things can always get worse.
0:43.1	I don't know, man.
0:44.4	Okay, so let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright, editor-in-chief of the non-zero newsletter.
0:48.9	This is a non-zero podcast.
0:50.0	You're Anatole Levin.
0:51.6	Director of the Eurasia program at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Staircraft in Washington.
0:57.5	You have previously taught at King's College London, and you've written a number of books, including one on Pakistan.
1:05.5	I want to talk a little about Pakistan toward the end because there is tension in the wake of that Kashmir terrorism
1:12.3	incident between Pakistan and India. But mainly I want to talk about Ukraine. And that's where I was
1:20.3	hoping you could actually cheer me up and convince me that pieces at hand, that there will be peace in our
1:25.1	time. But it doesn't feel that way to me.
1:29.6	But you know a lot more about this stuff than I do.
1:31.3	So what's your take?
1:34.4	Well, as the Sergeant Major said,
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