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Today, Explained

Can Trump help Sudan?

Today, Explained

Vox

Daily News, Politics, News

4.49.5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Two military generals are responsible for Sudan's brutal civil war. The American president just pledged to get involved. This episode was produced by Danielle Hewitt, edited by Amina al-Sadi and Miranda Kennedy, fact-checked by Hady Mawajdeh and Melissa Hirsch, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Adriene Lilly, and hosted by Noel King. The two generals -- former allies -- who are now at war in Sudan, seen together at a military ceremony in Khartoum in 2021. Photo by Mahmoud Hjaj/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images. Listen to Today, Explained ad-free by becoming a Vox Member: vox.com/members. New Vox members get $20 off their membership right now. Transcript at ⁠vox.com/today-explained-podcast.⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

President Trump delivered a shocker today at a meeting between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia that was meant to be about investment.

0:07.2

He said he's getting involved in Sudan.

0:10.1

His Majesty would like me to do something very powerful having to do with Sudan.

0:16.8

It was not on my charts to be involved in that. I thought it was just something that was

0:24.1

crazy and out of control. But I just see how important that is to you and to a lot of your

0:30.5

friends in the room, Sudan, and we're going to start working on Sudan. I didn't think that.

0:34.8

Since 1969, Sudan has suffered under some absolutely terrible governments. Those

0:40.1

governments were usually headed by military men who took power in coups and then ruled as

0:45.2

dictators for years. From 2019 to 2021 after a popular uprising, Sudan was on the road to

0:51.5

becoming a democracy. And then there was another coup, led by two generals, former allies,

0:57.6

and what happened next was predictable.

0:59.9

Surprise, surprise.

1:01.0

The military leaders fell out, as thieves and warlords so often do,

1:07.0

and plunge the country into yet another war, which is what we see now.

1:11.6

Today, those two generals stand accused of war crimes, of genocide, and arguably of some of the

1:16.9

most callous disregard for civilian life on record.

1:19.7

Neither one of them seems inclined to stop.

1:22.4

Coming up on today, explained the two men who are destroying Sudan and the one man who could maybe do something about it.

1:33.3

Right now the internet feels like it's changing maybe faster than it ever has. We have huge companies going through these big lawsuits about whether they get to keep being

1:45.2

huge companies. We have companies big and small making giant bets on AI, and we have an internet that

1:50.9

just feels different to be on as a regular person. This week on the Vergecast, we're talking about

1:55.5

all of the ways that the internet has changed and what we as users and people in the world

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