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The Indicator from Planet Money

Can the yield curve still predict recessions?

The Indicator from Planet Money

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🗓️ 16 October 2024

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Two years ago, the yield curve inverted. That means short-term interest rates on Treasury bonds were unusually higher than long-term interest rates. When that's happened in the past, a recession has come. In fact, the inverted yield curve has predicted every recession since 1969 ... until now. Today, are we saying goodbye to the inverted yield curve's flawless record?

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0:00.0

NPR. Predicting the economy has often been compared to the finance version of

0:15.8

astrology or tarot. On news channels you've got the high priests of finance

0:20.6

brought into prognosticate and speculate and bloviate and pontificate and

0:26.7

extrapolate and gesticulate and they're often wrong but you know one high priest has been right.

0:34.0

My name is Campbell Harvey.

0:35.3

I'm a professor of finance at Duke University.

0:38.3

And Campbell's instrument for divination,

0:41.0

the inverted yield curve. We've been covering the inverted yield curve.

0:43.0

We've been covering the inverted yield curve for years on the indicator.

0:47.0

Former co-host Cardiff Garcia was particularly enamored.

0:51.0

I am kind of obsessed with the yield curve.

0:53.6

I find it fascinating.

0:54.7

I find it mysterious.

0:56.4

It is one of my favorite indicators.

0:58.7

An inverted yield curve just means that short-term interest rates are higher than long-term interest rates.

1:05.8

And historically that's meant economic pain is coming.

1:09.6

Campbell Harvey discovered this powerful indicator decades ago, and it's predicted every recession since 1969.

1:17.0

Importantly, it also does not have a false signal.

1:22.1

Until, possibly now. The yield curve inverted almost two years ago.

1:29.7

We were on the lookout for a possible crash in the economy, but still no recession has the It also raises the question of whether the yield curve is still a useful prediction tool.

1:45.0

There are not a lot of great ways to see if a recession is coming at us.

1:49.0

So if the yield curve is truly dead, then our economic alert system just got a whole lot murkier.

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