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Welcome to the commentary magazine Daily Podcast.

Today's Monday, July 19, 2021, I am John Pauldhurtz, the editor of Commentary magazine,

with me as always executive editor, A Greenwald Hyade.

Senior writer, Christine Rosen, Hykristine, associate editor, no, Rosman Hainoa.

And joining us today, National Review Writer, author of the Brilliant Memor,

my father gave me Ireland, Michael Brendan Doherty. Hi, Michael, how are you?

Hi, everyone, first time long time, as they're seeing the radio business.

Now, of course, you may know him as the notorious MBD, as he is referred to on the editor's

podcast at National Review. So I'm just going to call you Michael, let's talk.

Let's talk. Okay, great. And Michael produced a piece that was published on Friday,

on National Review Online called Convincing the Skeptics. And it's a very, very

interesting and flavored view of this problem of vaccine hesitancy and what we should

do about it. And because it is complex and hard to sum up in five words, he was trashed

within an inch of his life on Friday, on Twitter, and elsewhere, and accused of all sorts of crimes

against humanity. And I will say that the ideas that he expressed in this piece,

he and I have briefly exchanged offline by email over the course of the last six or seven months,

having to do with what to do about people whose attitudes toward the vaccines or vaccination

generally are more hesitant than embracing. And as people know, listening to me over the last

month, I've lost my patients and lost my temper in relation to this whole question. And I took

Michael's piece as a refreshing counterpoise to my own Ural idiots and get vaccinated or die

attitude. So I thought I invite him on the show today, we'll talk him today about his ideas about

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