It's the Brian Larishell on WNYC. Good morning, everyone. We have an opportunity this morning to talk with someone who served both on the Trump-Iran negotiating team and also under President Biden

as director for Iran at the National Security Council. It's Nate Swanson, who is now sharing his views as an

independent observer of the U.S. Iran War as director of the Iran Strategy Project at the Think Tank,

the Atlantic Council. And here's the context for his latest article in the news of the Iran's strategy project at the think tank, the Atlantic Council. And here's the

context for his latest article in the news of the last two days. President Trump made headlines.

He didn't want to make, we talked about this yesterday, when he said this about the impact of the

war on Americans' finances. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon.

I don't think about American financial situation.

I don't think about anybody.

I think about one thing.

One thing, nuclear weapons.

So, okay, he's asking the country to be okay with the economic pain the war is causing

because the goal of ridding Iran of its nuclear program

is that important to the U.S. and the world.

But here's what he said, just on April 30th,

after the first phase of the war.

We didn't go and do what we did.

We obliterated that nuclear capacity of theirs,

and so they didn't get the nuclear bomb.

They didn't get their nuclear bomb.

So you can be forgiven for being confused about whether Iran's nuclear program has been

obliterated, which Trump has said many times, that word.

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