You know, I see some people like, like, Corey Robin is always saying to this view, like,

Democrats should be more left-wing because this whole fascism thing is fake, and, you know, we should just kind of go for it.

But like, I don't think it's fake.

Brian, is it fake? Are you part of the Taylor Swift Pfizer agenda?

Yeah, I am.

I'm driving it.

Look, like three Jewish people on a podcast.

Of course, we're pulling all the strings.

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So this week we're going to discuss the nearly nine figure judgment a jury awarded E. Jean Carroll in her defamation

suit against Donald Trump. But first we did want to acknowledge or put a pin in the immigration and border security fiasco's unfolding in Washington and Texas.

You want to say a little bit about what's going on, Matt?

Well, you know, I mean, long story short, it seems like Senate negotiators reached a deal on a border security Ukraine, Israel funding package, which I know there'd been a lot of skepticism about a lot of Democrats

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