Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joy Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation and welcome to another live show,

Surviving The Survivor, the podcast, I promise us to bring you the very best guess in all of true crime. It is not a

tagline. It is our reality. We bring you the best guest across the spectrum in true crime each and every night and tonight again is no different.

We have to go back to January 29th, 2022, that was a night that police officer, Boston police officer, John

O'Keefe was found dead in a Canton, Massachusetts driveway.

And since then, it has been a crazy, crazy story.

We all know that Karen Reed now is on trial for the murder of her. that called Canton Cover Up, where the people who John O'Keefe was out with that night, including

Brian Albert and Brian Higgins, are responsible for his death, that it was some sort of frame

job as they say.

And this trial is playing out in real time,

and we are going to break it down tonight,

as I said with some of the best guests,

leading off with Todd McGee the voice of reason

bottom right corner he is the founder of the 508 group he owns this consulting

and training firm.

He, at his firm, are recognized as international subject matter experts on

counter-terrorism, violent extremism, defensive tactics.

He's just a highly respected authority. extremism, defensive tactics.

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