Can terrorists ever really be rehabilitated?

Beyond Today

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🗓️ 3 December 2019

⏱️ 22 minutes

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The man who killed Saskia Jones and Jack Merritt was a convicted terrorist who had spent eight years in prison. Usman Khan was jailed in 2012 for preparing acts of terrorism. While he was inside he underwent a deradicalisation programme. He was released on licence last December and on Friday he travelled to London to take part in a conference on prisoner rehabilitation. It was there that Jack and Saskia were murdered. We speak to the BBC’s Home Affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani about Usman Khan and to Hanif Qadir, a former jihadist who has worked to de-radicalise extremists. Presenter: Matthew Price Producers; Philly Beaumont, Katie Gunning Mixed by Nicolas Raufast Editor: John Shields.

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0:00.0	BBC Sounds, music radio podcasts.
0:05.0	Hello, I'm Matthew Price.
0:07.0	Welcome to Beyond Today from BBC Radio 4,
0:10.0	a space to ask one big question about one big story every day.
0:14.4	Today can terrorists ever be rehabilit.
0:17.0	Today can terrorists ever be rehabilitated?
0:27.0	Now the image that sticks in my mind is of a man in a shirt and tie he's got a black jacket on
0:36.7	he looks middle-aged and he's moving away from the fight and after a while as I'm watching him again and again on repeat I see
0:47.3	that he's holding a large knife in his hand it turns out he was a plainclothes policeman, one of the people who stopped a terrorist
0:56.6	attack on London Bridge last week. The attack started in a building right by the Thames.
1:02.3	It's called Fishmongers Hall. It's run by
1:05.5	Toby Williamson. He told us the story of what happened inside the hall when the
1:09.5	attack started and a guy called Lucas heard it.
1:13.0	He's the guy who cleans the glasses down in the basement and that's exactly what he was doing when he hears his scream.
1:18.0	It's so loud he rushes up to the first floor and he sees it all happening.
1:22.8	It's pretty clear that there's a bad guy, he's got two knives in his hand,
1:26.6	there's blood, the scream was chaos.
1:28.6	Lucas pulls off the wall this long long stick he charges towards the bad guy and he impacts him on the
1:37.6	chest it doesn't stop the guy but it buys some time people run from the room while
1:42.4	Lukas holds him off.
1:43.5	At that point he's got about a one minute, one-on-one straight combat.
1:48.4	This guy we now know by the name of Khan, he works his way up, Lucas's pole slashing with this knife.
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