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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

Can’t see the wood OR the trees: Prof SIMON LEWIS on deforestation

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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🗓️ 3 September 2020

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Last week the Government introduced legislation aiming to curb the ruinous practice of deforestation, but how will this fit in with Brexit trade policy? What more should the Government be doing on environmental matters? And how damaging have populists Trump and Bolsonaro been in the battle against climate change? UCL professor of global change science SIMON LEWIS talks to Justin Quirk about the future of our planet. “It’s good that the Government is talking about this, but the devil is in the detail” “We need much bigger action to get to net zero” “Trump has been incredibly damaging to evidence-based policy over the last four years” “The Conservatives would not be so fast and loose with the facts if it weren’t for Trump” “The impact of Bolsonaro will be felt for a long time” Presented by Justin Quirk. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producer Jacob Archbold. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

0:11.8

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I loved going to college.

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look after theirs with dental life. Pick up dental life in the pet food aisle. Hello and welcome to the bunker daily I'm Justin Quirk. Earlier this week the government proposed new legislation to stop UK businesses from using products grown on illegally deforested land, a new move that could help mitigate climate change by making the illegal destruction of rainforest less profitable.

1:24.1

The idea is that firms would have to carry out due diligence on their supply chains and say

1:28.8

where key commodities like palm oil, rubber and soil came from or face fines. It's a surprise move in some ways from a

1:35.8

Conservative Party which is still enduring a quiet internal civil war over green issues with

1:40.6

Michael Gove pushing for quote full-throated environmentalism while the

1:44.4

parties old right wing is still dismissive of what David Cameron once called

1:47.8

cover your ears children green crap but our moves like this enough.

1:52.5

I'm with Extinction Rebellion about to launch a new series of actions on the climate

1:55.9

emergency should government use carrots and sticks to change business behaviour or is even

2:00.8

more decisive action needed to fight climate change.

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