I'm emotionally sympathetic to radicalism because I like the idea of

a progressive. I mean, that's really all my politics are. I mean, I'm typical of my time.

I don't have a consistent set of politics. And I suspect I was suspect people who do.

But I'm progressive. So I'm I try and understand what went wrong with with radicalism.

The reason I really made these films is I was astonished that over the last four years both in my country and in your country

those who would portray themselves as radical did nothing to try and respond to the enormous forces

that Trump and election and the Brexit vote revealed. Instead what they did is they retreated into a hysterical

paranoia about the fact that Vladimir Putin had really manipulated the election or into a sort of

just a deep depression where they're really responsible is not dear but there's nothing we can do.

They've refused to face the elephant in the room which is that actually millions and millions of people

were very angry. I mean, I know there were lots of other people voting for Donald Trump who weren't like that

but they just refused to look at that elephant and they still are refusing to do it and retreated into a

hysteria and into a series of conspiracy theories both on the right hand and left to be honest.

And therefore what I think is that radicalism has run out of road at the moment.

It's way of explaining the world doesn't make sense and you can see that because it had nothing to offer.

If I was a left-winger, if I was leading a radical party in America in 2018, I'd be going out to people

which I think Bernie Sanders did to an extent and saying to the people who voted for Trump, look,

you are right to vote that but he's conning you, he's not doing anything, he's failing completely,

he's totally corrupt, he promised to remove corruption in Washington, he's done nothing,

he promised to bring the factories back, he's done nothing, he promised to end the wars where your

sons and daughters are getting killed, he's done nothing. And he promised to build a wall, he

hasn't built it. I would have gone out again and again and again at and I was saying no,

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