Welcome to Oh God What Now, the Glitter Ball of Political Podcasts, I'm Rose Taylor.

On today's show, we'll be taking apart Keir Starmer's speech at the Labour Party conference.

He's a glittering working-class hero who wants to bulldoze planning regulations, but can

he do it? We look at past conference speeches we've loved and

suffered and ask how much they really matter. And in the extra bit,

I asked the panel why on earth everyone's so into magic and they occult these days.

Let's wave my wand and meet the panel.

Seth Tevaz is a journalist and writer author of Behind Close Tours. Hello, Seth.

Hey, Rose.

Here's Starmer announced yesterday that there would be new towns,

Labour, new towns, built around the country. He's going to bulldoze those planning rules,

feel the nimbus quiver with fury. Where would you build a new town and bear in mind that

Oh God, what now, listen, maybe right now, living in that place.

Well, I think this is fantastic news. I know how ambiguous they.

We have over the years been held back by the myth of the British countryside as this vast

unspoiled area that must be kept in pristine state and the green belt must be kept in place as

it has been since the 1930s. In reality, very little of the UK is actually genuinely wild.

I mean, I don't know overstate how it develops is because the Britain is not as developed as

like to think. But if you're looking at pristine countryside, I'd ask the question a different

ray, where would I not build new towns? I wouldn't build new towns in the Scottish Highlands.

I wouldn't build new towns in rural Wales. I wouldn't build new towns in Devon and Cornwall.

Part from that everywhere else. I'm fine. It's fair game. Everywhere. I mean, there's a lot of

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