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Hello and welcome to Coffee How Shots. I'm James Heeler. I'm joined today by the spectators

political editor Katie Balls and John McTerm and the former Labour Advisor. Now Katie,

first of all, it should have been a great week for Labour with those two very impressive

by elections last week in midbeds and tanworth. Instead, we're all talking about splits

in Labour's French bench on Israel and Gaza. Tell us where we're at and all of this.

Yeah, I think what's interesting is, as you say, you would expect this to be on this week's where

Labour O'Cocker hoop when you speak to them. I was at Rachel Reeves' book launch, more of which

I think we'll come to later. Actually, every conversation you had of a Labour MP there

and also to some parliament is it's being a really difficult week for us and that is because

of Kistama's position on Gaza, on Palestine and how it's being tested. We've spoken a lot about

this week already on the podcast, but I suppose it's about where now does it go next because Kistama

had that meeting with Mr. MMPs in the party, having now spoken to a few at it. It wasn't

really his fireworks meeting that I think as ever, people like perhaps such as myself,

and like to suggest they will be. It was pretty calm, but I think it's also fair to say that it

didn't fix the discomfort already that over Kistama's position. And though it feels so,

so he wasn't listening mode, I don't think it's particularly changed things.

It's not a thing you can listen on because the demand that's emerging in the Labour Party is

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