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Hello, it's Monday the 12th of July and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots. I'm James Versafe and I'm joined today by Isabel Harvon.

Isabel, today is the day when the government will confirm that it is going ahead with

step four of the unlocking process. We've got Sajah jabbed up in the House of Commons

later this afternoon and then Boris Johnson in the Down Street press conference at 5pm.

But this isn't the kind of triumphant moment that many imagine that the great unlocking would be.

And indeed, as you were saying on Coffeehouse yesterday,

ministers' language has become steadily more cautious over the last week.

What tone do you think they're trying to strike?

So a very interesting word has crept into

their media interviews, which is the word expected or expectation. And having gone from talking

about people taking their own decisions, making their own judgments based on personal

responsibility, They're now

talking about what people will be expected to do. So they'll be expected to wear masks in certain

settings and that there will be guidance that sets this out. None of this was what we, well,

I suppose, expected to be happening on the 19th of July, but against the backdrop of infections

which are already rising dramatically without the restrictions being lifted, ministers don't

really have very much choice. They've decided, and I think public health officials agree,

this is probably the least worst time to lift those restrictions, but at the same time that it is still a very bad time to be lifting the restrictions.

And Public Health England have been really very anxious about some of the changes.

So you had Dr Susan Hopkins yesterday saying that she hoped that people wouldn't actually return to the workplace,

despite the enthusiasm of some ministers to get workers back in the office, because over the next

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