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Hello and welcome to Coffee Have Shots and Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Katie Pools and I'm joined by James the Siphon as the Hardman.

Rishi's student at Kiss Facing his first Tory comments rebellion on the issue of UK House Building

targets. James, can you just fill us in on the details here? This is a Teresa Villiers

amendment to levelling up them? Yeah, so in the leadership campaign,

Liz Trust promised to abolish top-down housing targets. And as promised,

she said she would do that. And this amendment is essentially seeking to enact that.

What be a amendment doesn't take into account is that Liz Trust is planning to abolish top-down

housing targets with one hand. But on the other hand, create these investment zones where

planning rules would be massively relaxed. What has happened is that investment zones have now

changed to just being basically based around universities, much less about housing, more about

lab space and things like that. Teresa Villiers is still trying to abolish

top-down housing targets. I think that in a perfect world,

local communities would look to see where they could build more houses and you wouldn't need any

top-down targets. The problem is we don't build enough houses in this country and you can

save up top-down targets or a crude way of achieving that aim. But at the moment, no one has come

up with anything that actually succeeds in getting more houses built than top-down targets.

So what are you going to do? And I mean, there's also a particular worry, but this is coming

at a time and house building is likely to slow down anyway. And so are you going to end up

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