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Welcome back to Buckeye Talk for another Market Down Monday. I'm Nathan Baird from Cleveland.com along with Stephen Means, Andrew Gillis under the weather.

Not participating today, but we are down to just a couple of Market Down Mondays before Ohio State starts its 2023 football season.

And as we always do, we conclude Market Down Monday, come down the stretch here with a couple of national perspectives and how Ohio State is going to fit into that next week.

We'll be doing our season predictions for the college football playoff, which is essentially a conversation about,

can Ohio State win the national championship and will Ohio State win the national championship. But today, we're talking about individual talents and we're talking about the Heisman Trophy.

Will Ohio State have a Heisman Trophy finalist in 2023? I think it's a little bit harder to say will they have a champion, but will they have a finalist is, I think a more broad conversation because it tells you a little bit about the underlying talent.

And when it or not sometimes has a lot to do with factors that are out of a teams or a player's control, but I like to bring this up, Stephen, I wish Andrew were here because as we're sort of folding him into things, I like to pose questions to him that he may not have the full perspective on, but I brought this up last year between Troy Smith winning the Heisman Trophy in 2006 and Dwayne Haskins finishing third in 2018.

How many top four Heisman Trophy finishes did Ohio State have? Do you remember the answer to that question?

I think it was two. I think. No. Yeah, I'm sticking with two. It's zero. They had zero top four finishes from 2007 through 2017. When a decade, the highest finishes were JT Barrett in 2014 was fifth and Braxton Miller in 2012 was fifth.

I don't remember lost my head if those guys got to go to New York. Sometimes they did take bigger groups, but that is a long, long drought and although in college football history, I don't think it's a long drought. It just seems like a long drought when you look back on it because Ohio State now is so prolific at getting players to New York as Heisman Trophy finalists in 2018. Dwayne Haskins was third 2019. Justin Fields was fourth and Chase Young, I'm sorry, just fields was third and Chase Young was fourth. Both were in New York.

Both were in New York as finalists. JK Domins was even sixth that year, just a loaded roster of Ohio State candidates. 2020 Fields dropped all the way to seventh, but for half of that year, it looked like he was going to run away with it.

And then CJ Strauss finishing fourth and third the last two years. So four of the last five years Ohio State has sent a finalist to New York.

And do you think that and all except Chase Young have been quarterbacks. So there's been at least one quarterback for the last five years.

Do you feel like that is an identity that Ohio State needs to sustain? Is it such a part of what it does now developing the quarterback position that straying from that for any multiple year back to back years, that sort of thing?

Does it, is it a problem for a house date if that starts to happen?

Well, Ryan Day would say yes, because anytime we talk to him about quarterbacks, it's the Ohio State's quarterback needs to be a Heisman Trophy finalist in the first round of draft pick.

So that's the floor is your one your day one draft pick and you're one of the four people who goes to New York.

That's your floor. So yes, I do think that needs to be now whether you actually get to New York can sometimes come down to, you know, how many other people were involved.

But you need, I think the better way to put it is you need to be in consideration to be going to New York and be a first day draft pick going forward.

If you're going to play quarterback or Ohio State, that's the standard. And that's why that that's why we keep framing this quarterback battle between Kyle McCord and Devon Brown the way they do.

Well, we both talked and written about the idea of they're not chasing the starting job. They're chasing a standard.

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