What Next - Can Hamas Actually Be Destroyed?
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🗓️ 2 November 2023
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
What does the history of Hamas tell us about where the Israel-Palestine conflict could go from here?
Guest: Mohammed Hafez, professor who studies Islamist movements, political militancy, and violent radicalization at the Naval Postgraduate School and author of Why Muslims Rebel and Suicide Bombers in Iraq: The Strategy and Ideology of Martyrdom.
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| 0:00.0 | Thinking about the war in Gaza, I keep coming back to this one idea. |
| 0:12.4 | The End Game |
| 0:14.4 | When I say that, I mean, where all of us going to be left in a year, two years, because |
| 0:19.8 | Israel and the U.S. have an intended goal here. |
| 0:24.2 | They say they want to destroy Hamas, or eliminate Hamas, crush Hamas. |
| 0:30.9 | And it's not clear to me if that's achievable. |
| 0:34.5 | It is not possible to destroy such an organization, because it is an ideology, it is an idea as well |
| 0:42.6 | as an organization and a military force. |
| 0:45.4 | The word Hamas means courage, right? |
| 0:49.0 | The word Hamas means zeal. |
| 0:52.9 | It is an Arabic acronym for the movement, which is haraq al-Islamiy al-Mukhawama, which |
| 0:59.0 | is the Islamic Resistance movement. |
| 1:04.6 | Muhammad Hafiz teaches about Islamic movements at the Naval Postgraduate School. |
| 1:09.8 | And he wants people to think beyond Hamas the terrorist organization, to consider the |
| 1:14.9 | ideology that animates its members, and what will become of it when the war is done. |
| 1:22.1 | Because the thing about Hamas, he says, is that plenty of Palestinians support its goals. |
| 1:28.4 | Even if they disagree with its tactics and its violence, they still agree that it is |
| 1:34.0 | a part of the national liberation movement. |
| 1:37.2 | And that makes it really difficult to defeat such an organization. |
| 1:42.0 | Should it be part of the liberation movement given its tactics that were displayed on October |
| 1:48.1 | 7th? |
| 1:49.1 | What Hamas says is every national liberation movement has a right to resist occupation, |
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