Can Feminists Visit FBoy Island?
The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism
Slate Podcasts
4.2 • 903 Ratings
🗓️ 5 August 2021
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
On this week’s episode of The Waves, Waves producer Cheyna Roth and Slate senior culture editor Allegra Frank take a trip to FBoy Island. They discuss the ups and sexisms of HBO Max’s newest dating show and question why the narrative of women saving men persists. Later in the show, Allegra and Cheyna talk about the deception inherent in these shows and ask why everyone is the same type of beautiful.
Recommendations:
Allegra: Keeping your hands busy during the final days of summer with Pokémon UNITE.
Cheyna: The children’s books authors and illustrators Lauren and Natalia O’Hara, especially their book The Bandit Queen.
Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening ad-free on Amazon Music. |
| 0:03.1 | This podcast contains explicit language. |
| 0:06.7 | This is the waves. |
| 0:08.5 | This is the waves. |
| 0:09.5 | This is the waves. |
| 0:10.7 | This is the waves. |
| 0:11.4 | This is the waves. |
| 0:12.3 | This is the waves. |
| 0:17.1 | Welcome to the waves, Slate's podcast about gender, feminism, and refusing to say F-boy, because when a show is on Tony Sopranos' sister network, we just say, fuck boy. |
| 0:32.2 | Now, every episode, you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing we can't get off our minds. |
| 0:36.6 | And for today, you've got me, |
| 0:38.3 | Shana Roth, producer of this show, The Waves, and all-around podcast producer for Slate. |
| 0:43.8 | And you've got me, Allegra Frank, a senior editor for Slate's culture team. A few years ago, I used to |
| 0:51.7 | spend most Thursday nights with my friend Libby watching The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. |
| 0:57.2 | And this was one of honestly my favorite things to do because we would make a big night of it. |
| 1:02.5 | We would have drinks. We would have fancy snacks. But I was always kind of wondering in the back of my mind, |
| 1:08.2 | we were two successful, smart, self-identifying feminists, and was it |
| 1:13.9 | okay that we were watching this crazy dating reality show? Dating shows have sort of assorted |
| 1:22.0 | history with misogyny, with racism, with heteronormitivism, I mean, you name it. |
| 1:26.8 | But I keep coming back to them for |
| 1:28.8 | entertainment. Whenever there's a new one on and I see a trailer for it, I'm like, ooh, I think I want to |
| 1:34.2 | check that out. These are problematic trash. And I'm wondering, like, what does this say about me |
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