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later than than usual, for which there is a really good reason, but the really good reason

is not that George and I were up late last night at the

podcast of the year awards, although, to be honest, we might have been, because we did rather

better at these awards that we were expecting. Yes. I mean, it wasn't quite like the Oscars

and the Oscar after party, but it was pretty good, and we won two awards, did we not? We'll do something we have

never been accused of before in our careers, which is blow our own trumpets a little bit, because we

won the prize, the award for the best interview of the year, which was our inside the room

interviews with Michael Gove about Brexit. And then out of the blue, thanks to you, the listeners, we were the people's choice,

the elected, best podcast of the year. That is true. And I think we were a bit flabbergasted,

weren't we? I mean, I thought I interviewed Michael Gove was really good. As somebody said,

it was unusual and different because we, it was a very deep dive. got us. I mean, I thought I interviewed with Michael Gove was really good. As somebody said,

it was unusual and different because we, it was a very deep dive back into 2016. It wasn't just like a political interview. And I thought we had a good chance on that.

Although there was a snarky comment from a rival podcaster who said to me, oh, you got an award

for interviewing your friend, George.

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