Timing is everything, right? And it's all about the ecosystem being there.

I mean, the things that we're at this stage, we're like eight weeks into launch.

We're still very much learning. So we're looking mostly at engagement rather than growth.

We haven't run any traffic to it. We haven't. This is actually the very first podcast, the first publicity that I've been doing about the product.

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We got to grow faster. Minimum is 100% over the past several years.

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When I start the company, it was not cool to raise.

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Hello, everyone. My guest today is Peter Sisson.

He's the co-founder and CEO of a company called IAza.

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