Can Biden Stop Trump’s Revenge Tour?

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🗓️ 6 December 2024

⏱️ 64 minutes

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The White House considers preemptive pardons for the people Donald Trump and his allies have promised to target, setting off a debate among Democrats. Jon and Dan talk through the pros and cons of the move, who Biden could consider if he does move forward, and what Trump or other presidents might do in the future as a result. Then, veteran Democratic strategist Steve Schale talks with Dan about what led to the party's collapse in his home state of Florida, and why he's worried that the damage may spread.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Potsave America. I'm John Fabro. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. On today's show, House Democrats make moves to overthrow the gerontocracy. We're getting more information about who the swing voters were in the 2024 election, the kind of information they're getting and how Trump
0:37.8	won them over. Then we get to hear Dan's conversation with our friend Steve Shale, a Democratic
0:43.2	strategist and campaign vet in Florida about how we got into such a deep hole there, especially
0:48.5	with Latino voters, and why he's worried that what happened to Democrats in Florida may not
0:53.3	stay there.
0:58.3	But first, you heard it on Pod Save America first.
1:13.3	On Tuesday's show, Tommy and I both mentioned that it might be a good idea for Biden to issue preemptive pardons for people who Trump and his allies have said they want to prosecute, which, according to Politico's Jonathan Martin, the White House is now considering.
1:16.1	You're welcome, Adam Schiff and Liz Cheney.
1:17.9	Just kidding.
1:22.3	We were not even close to the first that raised that.
1:26.1	And the White House has been working on it a while, apparently, according to J. Mart.
1:28.4	He says that there has been a, quote,
1:34.0	vigorous internal debate about this among a small group of the most senior White House aides,
1:39.2	including the White House Council and the chief of staff, though the president himself has not yet been part of the discussions. The news has set off a debate among Democrats over whether it's wise to issue
1:46.4	preemptive blanket pardons. Congressman Brendan Boyle, who's a close ally of Biden, said that
1:53.0	Trump's decision to put Cash Patel in charge of the FBI means that prosecuting his enemies is,
1:57.9	quote, no hypothetical threat and urged the president to give the
2:01.6	pardons, but Schiff himself, who would presumably be on the list, urged Biden not to do it,
2:08.2	arguing that it would seem defensive and unnecessary.
2:12.1	Well, what do we think?
2:13.9	Jim Jordan was actually asked about this, the idea of a preemptive pardon.
2:17.1	We're going to listen to what he said, and then we're going to listen to what Donald Trump says about what he plans to do.
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