Can Apple's Culture Handle Dissent? — With Cher Scarlett

Big Technology Podcast

Alex Kantrowitz

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4.6 • 395 Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Cher Scarlett is an ex-Apple engineer who led a movement for pay transparency within the company — and suffered consequences. She joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss why she spoke out, how Apple responded, and whether the company's culture can handle dissent. Listen for an inside perspective on Apple's culture and a conversation about the future of dissent within the tech giants.

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1:10.1	We hear a lot in the press about how Apple is a humanitarian company,
1:14.3	company looking out for the greater good.
1:16.5	But I think you can learn a lot about Apple when you look inside the company
1:20.0	and you ask what's going on inside the culture.
1:23.8	And especially in terms of the way that the company handles dissent.
1:28.5	And we are going to have quite the episode today because joining us today is Share Scarlett.
1:35.4	She's a former principal software engineer at Apple and a leader of the company's internal
1:40.2	dissent movement before she left the company last year.
1:43.8	Currently, she's a senior software
1:45.3	engineer at Control Z, and it is great to have her on the show. Welcome, Cher. Hi, thanks for
1:53.0	having me on. My pleasure. So, I mean, let's just start with your bio. I read the, I read, there's a great profile about you on the Washington Post.
2:04.4	Do you mind if I read the first paragraph? I didn't like it. I'm going to read it and you can react to it.
2:09.5	Cher, Scarlett, grew up poor and dropped out of high school. As a teenager, she struggled with addiction,
2:14.1	danced as a stripper and tried to overdose on pills. Her ticket to a better life was learning to code.
2:19.8	Last year, she became perhaps the least probable member of Apple's elite software engineering
2:24.1	core.
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