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I've been thinking about what we could change to make the United States a safer place. Changing

gun laws so that we're more safe. Changing how we think about radicalization. After

El Paso, After Dayton, you might be feeling like nothing ever changes. But I write about

cities and design for Slate, and there's one thing that is definitely changing. The

way we design buildings. I'm Henry Grabar, filling in today. Hi, Henry. Hi, Janine. And

that's Janine Katab. She's one of architecture's most vocal practitioners on this subject. You're

an architect, right? Yeah, I'm an architect and I focus on educational spaces. So schools,

K-12, higher ed, the whole slew of learning environments. I want to ask about how you

got into this work, which might be kind of a heavy question because I read that you were

a student at Virginia Tech in 2007. Yeah. I was a ready-and-architecture student. I was

a third year at Virginia Tech. And the shootings happened in 2007. It was a hard time. I knew

four people who were killed during the shootings. One was a really good friend of mine. We were

co-coriographers together for a dance troupe. The day before the shooting was our huge performance

that we had been practicing for the entire year. And the next morning, we found out that

my friend, Rima Samahashi, was one of the people who could not be found. And we spent the

entire day waiting and waiting and watching the news and calling around to see if anyone

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