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Wonder Cabinet

Can An Evil Man Be A Decent Person?

Wonder Cabinet

Wonder Cabinet Productions

Society & Culture, Wonder, Philosophy, Ttbook, Knowledge, Interview

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2018

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

How can someone be a monster — a brutal dictator, a mass murderer, a serial killer — and up close seem like a decent, caring person? What happens when you find yourself liking someone who’s done terrible things? The American Guards Who Kept Saddam Hussein Safe Until His Execution; Paul Beatty on "The Nazi and the Barber"; What Can Americans Learn from a Norwegian Massacre?; Your Archenemy Turned Out To Be a Hero. Now What?; Can Literature Make You More Empathetic? ; Michael Tisserand on “My Friend Dahmer”.

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0:00.0

It's to the best of our knowledge from PRX.

0:06.3

Picture this. You're in the Army, 22 years old, you're sent to Iraq, and assigned to guard Saddam Hussein, sitting alone in a cell with him for hours, months.

0:21.2

What did you guys talk about?

0:23.3

We would reminisce and, I don't know, we would pass the time.

0:26.9

He was passing his time and we were passing ours.

0:29.9

He never talked to us about the evil stuff that he did.

0:34.3

I got the vibe and this is just me, that he was almost sorry.

0:38.6

Do you think he cared about you?

0:40.6

If something would have happened and we would get overrun,

0:45.4

I always thought that he would show mercy on me.

0:50.8

I'm Anne Strange Champs.

0:52.1

This hour, empathy for monsters.

1:09.3

It's to the best of our knowledge.

1:11.2

I'm And Strange Champs.

1:12.5

What is it like to care about someone bad, someone evil?

1:17.9

You know, I almost remember that day like it was yesterday.

1:20.8

It replays in my mind a lot.

1:35.3

I was on shift that night. We got the call over the radio.

1:37.3

It was time to wake him up.

1:42.3

So I stood there and watched him get ready and fix his hair, put his suit on, put his watch on.

1:49.0

He got dressed to the nine as best as he could.

1:53.0

And we all knew that it was coming close.

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