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Can America Fix Its Trains?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2021

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

America used to be at the vanguard of railroad technology. What went wrong? And can the new infrastructure bill fix our broken system?


Guests: Alon Levy and Eric Goldwyn of the Marron Institute at NYU 


Host

Henry Grabar

 


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0:00.0

Take a trip into the near future with me.

0:07.1

A future where Amtrak service looks less like the slow old system that we all know,

0:12.0

and more like the bullet trains that whisk people across countries like Japan and France.

0:17.5

This is what I think of as normal high-speed rails. New York to Washington and an hour

0:23.0

45, maybe an hour 40. New York, Boston, about the same. New York, Philly should be 40, 45 minutes

0:31.9

apart. That's Alon Levy, who has spent a lot of time thinking about how to improve train service.

0:38.4

Alon is a mathematician by training, but they're working now on something called the Transit

0:42.8

Costs Project at New York University. The project keeps track of how much similar train

0:48.7

projects cost in different countries. And Alon is also an advocate for how American train travel should be,

0:56.5

what I would call train utopia. Ideally, I enter the train station maybe five minutes before

1:04.1

the train departs. You can buy in advance and reserve a seat. If you're with a friend,

1:10.0

you can reserve seats together. Amberg doesn't let

1:12.2

you do it right now. There's lots and lots of capacity, so you don't need to charge really high

1:17.5

prices to avoid the train getting full. Let's say New York and Boston might be $49. The trains are

1:22.7

going to be very frequent, and the reason is that the Northeast corridor is enormous. How many people live there?

1:29.1

It's what, 50 million people between four enormous metropolitan areas. So instead of having to wait

1:34.3

two hours or having to wait an hour, you would be waiting 15 minutes.

1:41.4

What would it cost to realize this travel fantasy on the Northeast Corridor between Boston and Washington?

1:47.5

Well, Alon, the person who spends all day every day running the numbers,

1:51.5

the person who runs a complete database of all the world's train projects and how much they cost,

1:56.4

Alon says $15 billion, maybe $20.

1:59.6

As it happens, Congress is set to give Amtrak $30 billion for the Northeast

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