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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov, and my guest today is David Jolly.

He's a former U.S. Congressman who represented his district in Florida's Gulf Coast from 2014 to 2017. He was a Republican then, but now he's a Democrat and he's running for governor of Florida. David Jolly, thank you so much for joining me. Welcome to the show. Hey, Jessica, great to be with you. And I would point out I also was independent for about six years. So my journey has taken me a long ways. Well, let's start with the journey then, and then we'll get to Epstein, which I wanted to start with. So journey first, and then conspiracy theory later. Did I mention this as a Florida governor's race about the affordability crisis? That's it. That's all we're talking about. That's your Epstein answer. No, but that was going to be my

question. What do you do about it? But it is important. And there are so many Republicans who felt

the same way that you do about the state of the modern GOP, but didn't do anything about it.

Sure. And certainly didn't change

parties or detach themselves from the apparatus in this way. So please tell us about yourself.

Yeah, sure. My origin story is going to sound a lot like your guest last week, we're at Talrico

from Texas. I'm a person of deep Christian faith. I'm a preacher's kid from the south.

And remarkably, today as a Democrat, I talk openly about that, just as the representative was last week on your show.

And I would also point out this is a longer conversation, but this is a Democratic Party now that welcomes that conversation around values, right?

Not around evangelizing, but the basic principles of anybody's faith.

I love, joy, respect, dignity, returning to basic values. So my origin story always starts

with that, certainly, but my political story, look, I was always oriented kind of as a Bush 41

Republican, someone who frankly celebrated when Bush 41 left the NRA, but also kind of a less

government, less taxes, less regulation kind of Republican fought the Tea Party rise, if you will,

as we moved from less government to no government. And then I did serve in Congress for

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