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Hello, this is the Red Box podcast. I'm Matt Surely, big of the rest of my time to show politics

about the boy bits you can listen live, Monday to Friday, 10 till 1, on your DAOB radio,

on your smartspeaker or download the Times Radio app. Coming up on today's episode,

the last one from the Labour Party conference in Liverpool, as Keir Starmer lays out his final

pitch he hopes as leader of the opposition at a party conference. We take a look back at

pre-election pitches in history. The ones that have worked essentially Tony Blair and the ones that

haven't, everyone else. That's coming up in just a moment. But first, as we always do,

I want to choose to have a chat with these two.

The columnists on Times Radio. And as everyone to choose to, we are joined by Daniel Finkelstein.

Morning, Danny. Good morning. Can I just correct you, Matt, in your

earlier statement that I hated Lib Dems? Obviously, not only is hate an alien and a motion to me,

but I love Lib Dems so much that I don't want them to waste their time anymore on

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