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Welcome to Spycast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum. I'm your host, Sasha

Inber, and each week I take you into the shadows of espionage, intelligence, and covert

operations across the globe. It may surprise you to know that for decades, schools have been a destination for espionage,

especially in recent years, the use of international students and faculty as spies on American

campuses has been particularly daunting. Why do intelligence services, both foreign and domestic,

target colleges and universities? What is there to gain on

these campuses? To talk to us about this, we've brought in award-winning journalist Dan Golden,

author of the book Spy Schools. Dan first came across this practice while working at Bloomberg.

He was covering a story about a professor who was teaching at

the University of South Florida, and the professor was in trouble over personal issues, things like

porn on his computer and financial troubles. The FBI smelled blood, and they gave the professor

an ultimatum, lose everything or spy on his Chinese peers.

So, Dan, thanks for being here. What stood out to you about this story?

I was talking to a friend of mine in the FBI, and I said, is this an isolated instance?

He said, no, this happens all the time, but it's a two-way street.

There's this underground spy war on American campuses. Foreign countries are trying to gather

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