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From KQED. The Bay Curace audience has shown us over the years that you all are very interested

in camping. In 2017, we did a story about how bots snap up campsites, making it nearly impossible

for real humans to click their way into a

Primo reservation. And you made it one of our most popular stories of the year. Last year, we

offered a little update on that story. TLDR, things are better, but still, it's tough out there.

And we offered some tips on how to be a camping reservation making master.

This year, we wanted to help you even more by going in depth on how to get out and go camping

if you're maybe not the type of person who could wake up early and make a reservation six months in

advance. Or maybe if you feel like being at a campsite that's a stone's throw from the

next group isn't quite getting away from it all. Today, we're talking about dispersed camping.

No reservations needed, just show up, set up, and go. Could it be camping at its finest, easiest,

truest form, or could it be more than you bargained for?

Here to guide us through it all and answer your questions about dispersed camping is KQED's

outdoor reporter Sarah Wright. Welcome, Sarah. Thanks so much for having me. So I got to start by

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