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Ramblings

Camino Francés with Maggie McLean

Ramblings

BBC

Science, Nature, Society & Culture, Places & Travel

4.6732 Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Clare walks with Reverend Maggie McLean today on a stretch of the Camino de Santiago, the world famous pilgrimage route that concludes at Santiago de Compostela’s glorious Cathedral in northern Spain. The Camino can be completed in numerous ways, with one of the most popular routes being the French Way otherwise known as the Francés. It begins in the French town of St. Jean Pied de Port and ends 790km/490miles later in Santiago. Maggie is trekking part of this route and Clare joins her at Triacastela to hear her story as they make their way to the Benedictine Monastery at Samos, which is about 150km from Santiago itself.

Maggie is a lifelong keen walker, and was one of the first women to be ordained in the Church of England. She works as a Canon at York Minster, and would like to see some kind of pilgrimage established there, so her time on the Camino is not just a spiritual journey, it’s also a way of conducting some research. On their walk she tells Clare about her life and journey in faith, including working in homeless centres, probation hostels and a seafarers’ mission in Australia. En route Clare and Maggie bumped into Arthur, a pilgrim who has spent several weeks every year for seven years on the Camino, which he started by walking out of his front door in Switzerland. Despite suffering cancer three times, and having one quarter of a lung removed, he still carries a 10kg backpack and never plans where he’s going to stay overnight.

Presenter: Clare Balding Producer: Karen Gregor

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0:41.2

Hi, Maggie.

0:42.9

Hello, Claire.

0:43.9

Are you all right?

0:44.9

Este bien, gráquez.

0:46.6

Yeah, I'm good as well.

0:49.3

Okay, let's go.

0:52.9

We've got the most beautiful day. Bright blue skies and not a cloud in the sky. Sun beaming down

1:00.1

as I continue the celebration of ramblings in its 25th anniversary by walking for the first five programmes.

1:10.1

A different section of the Camino de Santiago in Spain getting ever

1:14.5

closer to Santiago de Compostela which is on the northwest edge of Spain and has since medieval times

1:22.6

been a massively popular pilgrimage destination and there are all sorts of different routes coming into it.

1:30.6

Today, though, we're on the most popular one, which is the French route. And I'm joining Reverend

1:35.6

Canon Maggie McLean. Because for a lot of people, Maggie, this is a religious experience. The whole

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