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Camille Fronk Olson: Walking Through the Doors God Opens

All In

DB Podcasts

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.86.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Have you ever found yourself walking through a door you never expected—but somehow knew God opened for you? On this week’s episode, Camille Fronk Olson shares her own personal experience with the subheading of her new book, “But If Not”—this is her story of “Finding God in Unmet Expectations and Unwanted Detours.”

1:45- Our Stories in Hindsight
7:36- Why Now?
10:31- Prosperity Gospel Fallacy
20:03- Leaving to God the Management of Blessings
26:07- Physical Bodies
34:16- Mandatory Vs. Voluntary Obedience
39:08- Because of Jesus Christ
42:15- What Does It Mean to Be All In the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

“If going down that detour that He has sent us down leads us to trust more in Him, it is a glorious life.”

Links:
But If Not- https://www.deseretbook.com/product/PR00001364.html

Elder Vargas’s general conference talk- https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2025/04/34vargas?lang=eng

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Camille Frank Olson knows a thing or two about unmet expectations and unwanted detours.

0:06.8

She describes her life as feeling guided by the Lord through door after door she didn't see coming.

0:12.9

And now, with the benefit of hindsight, which she says comes with age,

0:16.9

she is hoping to share what she's learned through personal experience and diligent study to understand those experiences.

0:25.1

Camille Frank Olson is a professor emeritus of ancient scripture and former department chair at Brigham Young University.

0:32.1

She received the Carl G. Mazur Excellence in Teaching Award, the university's highest recognition for teaching.

0:39.5

Formerly, Dean of Students at LDS Business College, she is served on the Young Women

0:43.9

General Board and on the Church's Teacher Development Curriculum Committee.

0:48.4

She is married to Paul Olson, which includes the blessings of two children and four grandchildren.

0:54.7

She is a beloved author and her newest book,

0:57.6

but if not, is available in Desire at Bookstores now.

1:07.1

This is All In, an LDS Living podcast where we ask the question, what does it really mean to be all in the gospel of Jesus Christ?

1:15.1

I'm Morgan Pearson, and I am so honored to have Camille Frank Olson on the line with me today.

1:20.1

Camille, welcome.

1:21.4

Thank you.

1:23.0

Well, I have absolutely loved.

1:25.3

I devoured your book.

1:26.9

I read it so fast. My husband the other day, I was like, I'm two-thirds of the way through the book. Kamil knows this. We've had this terrible stomach virus going through our house. I said, I'm two-thirds of the way through the book. And he was like, when? I was like, I was reading it in the middle of the night. So to set the tone for our conversation, Camille, this book is all about finding God

1:48.0

in unmet expectations and unwanted detours. That's the subtitle of the book. You asked some

1:54.6

questions, though, at a point in the book that I think we can use to kind of set the stage for

1:59.5

our conversation, you said, when you look back on your life, where do you see a divine hand leading you

2:06.1

through a door you hadn't noticed?

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