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The Lawfare Podcast

Camille François on Covid-19 and the ABCs of Disinformation

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🗓️ 16 April 2020

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of our Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Camille François, the Chief Innovation Officer at Graphika, where she works to identify and mitigate disinformation and misinformation online. On April 15, Graphika released a report on an Iranian influence operation focused on COVID-19, an operation blaming the United States for supposedly creating the virus and praising China’s response to the pandemic. Camille discussed what Graphika found and how this campaign compares to similar operations in the past—like another campaign from Ghana that Graphika helped uncover, which was linked to Russia and posted content aimed at black Americans. And they discussed the “ABC framework” that Camille has developed to understand disinformation campaigns.

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Also, check out LawFair's other podcast offerings,

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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

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One of the last Russian operations we wrote about Operation Double the Seat

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is named Double the Seat because the operation is not only deceiving the people who are engaging with its content on social media,

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it's also deceiving the people who are producing the content that's being put on social media.

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And here we have the person who's tied to the Russian Internet Research Agency

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who's actually paying people in Ghana who have no idea that they're actually part of this type of operation.

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And, you know, trends like this, new forms, new evolutions like this really,

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really keeps the challenges in the space and forces to be ahead of the next creative campaigns that we're going to see.

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I'm Quintet Jurassic and this is the LawFair podcast April 16th, 2020.

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It's another episode of our Arbiter's of Truth series on disinformation.

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This week, Evelyn Duac and I spoke with Camille Francois,

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the chief innovation officer at Graphica, where she works to identify and mitigate disinformation and misinformation online.

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We spoke to Camille yesterday, April 15th, right after Graphica released a report on an Iranian influence operation focused on COVID-19,

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blaming the United States for supposedly creating the virus and praising China's response to the pandemic.

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Camille walked us through what Graphica found and how this campaign compares to similar operations in the past.

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Like another recent campaign from Ghana, the Graphica helped uncover, which was linked to Russia and posted content aimed at Black Americans.

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And we also discussed the ABC framework that Camille has developed to understand disinformation campaigns.

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