Camilla Kring on Chronoleadership and Working With Your Body Clock

Beyond the To-Do List - Productivity for Work and Life

Erik Fisher

Business, Entrepreneurship, Self-improvement, Careers, Education

4.5 • 875 Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Camilla Kring, author of Chronoleadership: How to Create Healthier and More Productive Rhythms in Your Work and Life, explains how understanding your biological rhythms—and leading with them instead of against them—can unlock greater well-being and performance. Camilla shares how workplaces can become more inclusive by embracing chronodiversity, and how individuals can set boundaries and routines that honor their energy patterns.

In this conversation, we explore:

What Is Chronoleadership? Camilla introduces the concept of leading yourself and others based on chronotype—your body’s natural rhythm for sleep, focus, and energy.
The Myth of the Early Bird: We challenge traditional ideas of productivity and explore how early start times can exclude or harm night owls and others with nontraditional energy curves.
Designing Rhythms, Not Routines: Camilla helps reframe time management not around fixed schedules but around flexible rhythms that support health and creativity.
Chronodiversity in the Workplace: From flexible start times to outcome-based management, we talk about how leaders can design more inclusive work environments.
Parenting, School, and Chronotypes: We also explore how respecting biological rhythms applies beyond the workplace—to how we raise kids, structure schools, and design home life.

Camilla’s work invites us to stop fighting time and start aligning with it—for the sake of our energy, health, and leadership.

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1:10.0	I'm your host, Eric Fisher, and I'm excited to welcome to the show Camilla Kring. She's the author of Chrono Leadership, how to create healthier and more productive rhythms in your work and life. In this conversation, we talk about how your chronotype, whether you're a night owl, an early bird, or somewhere in between,
1:28.6	affects your energy, focus, and overall well-being.
1:32.6	Camilla shares how leaders and individuals can stop forcing productivity into one-size-fits-all
1:38.3	routines and start designing work and life rhythms that actually work.
1:42.9	If you've ever struggled to fit into a rigid schedule
1:45.6	or you felt like productivity patterns were just wrong,
1:49.0	this episode with Camilla Cring is for you.
1:55.1	Well, it is my privilege to welcome to the show,
1:57.8	Camilla Cring.
1:59.0	Camilla, welcome to beyond the to-do list.
2:01.9	Thank you so much. I am excited to talk about this. You have a PhD in work-life balance,
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