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Witness History

Cambodia war crimes

Witness History

BBC

Personal Journals, Society & Culture, History

4.51.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2024

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

In 2009, a UN-backed war crimes tribunal opened in Cambodia to try the senior Khmer Rouge commanders responsible for genocide.

An estimated two million people were killed during Pol Pot's regime in the 1970s.

Aged 26, New Zealander Kerry Hamill was on a sailing trip with friends when he mistakenly found himself in Cambodian waters.

He was taken to Tuol Sleng prison where thousands of people were tortured and murdered.

In 2022 Kerry's brother, Rob Hamill, told Josephine McDermott how he testified against the infamous torturer Comrade Duch.

(Photo: Kerry Hamill aboard his boat. Credit: Rob Hamill)

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Witness History podcast from the BBC World Service with me, Josephine McDermott.

0:11.9

In 2009, Rob Hamill came face to face with the man responsible for killing his brother during Pol Potts' genocide in Cambodia.

0:21.9

And a warning you may find some of the details in this programme distressing.

0:27.5

It's September 2009, and a former commander in the Khmer Rouge, known as Comrade Doik,

0:33.9

is taking the stand at a court in Plompin.

0:37.0

The UN Tribunal is aiming to bring justice to the families

0:40.3

of the 2 million people killed in the genocide in the late 1970s.

0:45.3

The crimes committed by the accused are rarely matched in modern history

0:49.4

in terms of their combined barbarity, scope, duration, premeditation and callousness.

0:57.8

In court, to testify against Comrade Doik, is New Zealander Rob Hamill.

1:03.3

Rob's brother Kerry was one of the estimated 15,000 men, women and children

1:08.2

killed at the notorious Tolstlong prison

1:10.9

run by Doik

1:12.5

whose full name is Kongok Q.

1:15.0

The prison was known as S-21.

1:17.8

There was Doik in his seat.

1:20.3

It was quite creepy.

1:22.7

The moment I sat down and looked up

1:24.7

and he was looking at me,

1:26.0

he gave me the eye and made very strong eye contact.

1:29.8

He gave me a blank stare, actually.

1:31.3

It was very chilling and I found quite challenging.

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