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The Old Man and the Three

Cam Johnson and Sue Bird on the State of the WNBA, A’ja Wilson’s Greatness, and Cam's Denver Move

The Old Man and the Three

ThreeFourTwo Productions | Wondery

Sports

4.83K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

On this special episode of YM3, we welcome back Cam Johnson of the Denver Nuggets and WNBA legend Sue Bird! Cam and Sue discuss the Las Vegas Aces defeating the Phoenix Mercury in the 2025 WNBA championship, A’ja Wilson’s dominance and if she gets the respect she deserves, and the other key contributors on the Aces like Jewell Loyd, Jackie Young, and Chelsea Gray. They also talk about Napheesa Collier’s recent comments regarding commissioner Cathy Engelbert, the larger state of the WNBA as a whole, and why this WNBA offseason will get so crazy with the majority of the league becoming free agents. 

Then, they discuss Cam’s offseason move the the Denver Nuggets and have a fascinating discussion about the challenges of adapting to a new team in both the NBA and WNBA, as well as how great Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray are. 

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0:00.0

I think it's all part of the process of what I would assume is scaling a league.

0:05.4

There's always going to be polls.

0:08.0

There's always going to be ups and downs.

0:09.9

And I give the women a lot of credit for speaking their mind.

0:13.8

I think it's just naturally part of the process of them trying to.

0:18.5

I mean, the league isn't that old.

0:25.9

And so all of it is newer territory and all of the expansion is that kind of rough, gritty new territory where everybody's kind of pushing and

0:32.3

shoving to get maximum value of their own. So at the bottom line, I would say the league is in a good place

0:40.0

and heading in the right direction. And these are the types of kind of abrasions that are

0:46.0

necessary in that growing process. Well said. Well said.

1:01.3

Welcome back to the Youngman Number Three, as always presented by 3-4-2 productions and our friends at Wondery Amazon.

1:05.4

Today's guests are our old friends Sue Bird and Cam Johnson.

1:11.1

There are always so many incredible gems with this duo, and today's conversation was no exception.

1:15.0

Today's episode of The Young Man in the Three is brought to you in partnership with Quest Nutrition, succumb to great tasting snacks, packed with protein. Quest, big on protein,

1:20.8

low on sugar, huge on flavor. Without further ado, here's Sue Bird and Cam Johnson.

1:26.9

Sue, Cam, the group is reconvened.

1:31.3

This time, remote. We were just saying we need a name for this, for this trio, really for

1:36.5

you two. Why is something? I don't know what the second word is. How are you guys doing?

1:42.0

Good. I'm not in camp, though. So, Cam, I feel like that's a better question for you.

1:46.9

Doing well.

1:48.0

Just, you know, how it is.

1:49.4

New team, new city, new environment.

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