Calvinism pt 2 - Does Romans 9 support predestination? James White vs John Cranman

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🗓️ 17 May 2019

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Romans 9 is one of the key texts used by Calvinists to support the doctrine of individual election - that God predestines people for salvation or damnation. However, John Cranman believes Calvinists are misreading Paul’s words and meaning. He engages with Calvinist thinker James White as they debate whether Romans 9 refers to individual salvation or God’s prerogative to choose categories of people to be his own. For Unbelievable? the Conference 2019: http://www.premierchristianradio.com/unbelievableconference For James White: https://www.aomin.org/ For the article that convinced John Cranman: https://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/romans-9-in-context/ Get signed copies of Unbelievable? the book and audiobook: https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Unbelievable-the-Book For more faith debates visit http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable Join the conversation: Facebook and Twitter Get the MP3 Podcast of Unbelievable? Via Itunes

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0:07.1	Good afternoon and welcome along to this week's edition of Unbelievable with me Justin
0:10.8	Briley. Here on Premier Christian Radio, broadcasting around the world as a podcast too, so however you're
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