Who plays ultimately the decisive role in your salvation?

If you're looking at two people and person A believes and is saved and person B does not,

you try to explain why.

Either the why rests in us, some little teeny bit of it. I chose, I saw, I made the decision,

something why, or the why has to rest ultimately with God.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about

the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life. I'm Matt Tullian. Today I'm talking

with Kevin DeYoung. Kevin serves as senior pastor at Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina,

an assistant professor of systematic theology at Reform Theological Seminary. He's also the author

of a number of books, including Grace Defined and Defended, What a 400-year-old confession

teaches us about sin, salvation, and the sovereignty of God with Crossway. Today, Kevin and I discuss

Calvinism. He reflects on whether or not Christ died for all people

or just for the elect, the problem with Cage Stage Calvinists, and one key question he would ask

is Armenian brothers and sisters in Christ. Let's get started. Kevin DeYoung, thank you so much

for joining us on the Crossway podcast today.

It's great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

So do you remember your first introduction to reform theology?

And more specifically, who introduced you?

And how did you initially respond?

I do. I grew up in a reform church. I was a part of the reform church in America, which is more of a mainline reform denomination, but grew up in an evangelical church and in a strong Christian family. So I don't know if I first heard of reform theology from my parents or from my church.

I do remember at some point having, when I was probably in elementary school, having a

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