Here we go. My name's Todd.

And this is Kathy.

Welcome back to another episode of Zen Parenting Radio.

This is podcast number 674.

Why listen to Zen Parenting Radio?

Because you'll feel outstanding.

And I always remember our motto, which is that the best predictor of a child's well being is a parent's self-understanding.

On today's show, we're going to play a few clips and have a discussion about a TED talk

that I watched a few, about a month ago, and I kept meaning to bring it to the podcast,

but we just decided to go with other things.

But today is the day where we're going to do it.

And the name of the Tet Talk is called, what is it called?

I can tell you what it's about.

Loretta Ross.

Don't call people out, call them in.

It's got 73,000 views.

I wish you would have 7 million views because it's one that I like that much.

But this woman talks about the call-out culture and public shaming and blaming on social

media and real life. And Loretta is her name. She gives us a toolkit for starting productive conversations instead of fights.

Yeah, I think from what I re-listen to it, or I listened to it this morning, and I think the gist is that she has been a social activist her whole life, and she has also worked within hate groups, meaning she has been asked to get information

on and talk with people who have been involved with hate groups.

And what she's learned through her experience, which is what most social activists have

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