From K-QED. This is Bay Curious. I'm Olivia Allen Price.

My grandmother had multiple sclerosis and was blind as long as I knew her.

She died before I was old enough to ask the questions that I always wanted the answers to.

Like, what's it like?

How do you navigate this loud and bustling world we live in?

Today on Bay Curious, we're going to experience the answer to one of those questions.

What's it like to be blind and make your way around San Francisco?

Now this episode is different from what you normally hear on our show. It's a Sonic experience more than a new story.

So if you can, listen on your best pair of headphones. In a quiet room, maybe with your eyes closed, and just let your mind imagine.

We'll get started right after the break.

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Helping us today are two of my friends from the World According to Sound Podcast.

Hello, I'm Chris Hoff and I'm Sam Harnet.

Chris and Sam are masters of collecting and mixing audio and they've been working on this project for more than a year now.

Basically, we're trying to sort of get at the way

blind people experience the world on their day to day.

We're both interviewing blind and visually impaired people and also recording their environment so we can hear exactly what they hear.

Chris and Sam spent the day with a guy named Brian Bashion. He's the CEO at the Lighthouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired.

Every day he commutes from his home in North Berkeley to his office in downtown San Francisco.

He's

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