Hi everybody, Cheryl Atkinson here. Welcome to another edition of Full Measure after hours. Today,

California's wildfires not caused by climate change. Sunday, January 11th on full measure,

I investigate the real causes behind the Palisades wildfire

raging a year ago at this time, as well as other major high-profile wildfires. Two main causes

are repeat offenders, arsonists and power companies, as you'll hear in today's interview, with

attorney Mike Ramsey, the Butte County District Attorney,

who prosecuted power company PG&E for the infamous campfire that started in 2018.

The point is each time you hear about climate change being a cause or major factor behind this rash of wildfires in California, it belies the

actual facts on the ground. Here's attorney Mike Ramsey.

Just a little bit of background when it comes, are fire prosecution is common when we're talking about

prosecuting a company or rather than just an individual arson, which I'm sure plenty of that's been

done. But tell me about fire. Not so much because the individual arson, the fire bugs, you have

those all the time and seems to be increasing.

But companies, not so much, but PG&E was richly deserving of this particular prosecution.

Can you give us a little bit of the interesting intrigue about how that came about?

Was that initially something somebody in your

office thought of, like immediately, or did this kind of come to light as discussions went on and

news was uncovered? Actually, it was almost immediate because what P. Jeannie had a bit of a bad

history here in the late 90s, we noticed a number of fires were being caused by PG&E failure to clear vegetation

around their lines.

Trees and high-powered lines don't mix very well, spark caused fires.

As I say in the late 90s, we were getting more and more of these.

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