Rolling river of time, you've healed me in too many days.

No regrets, no confusion, there'll be no pollution. I'm so thankful I've decided to change my ways

are we gearing up for a Duggers versus Caldwell's legal battle uh we're going to talk about that

today that's what we're going to be discussing yeah Sadie's groaning about it because she doesn't want to deal. I don't want to deal with this either. But here we are. This is the Leaving Eden podcast. Sadie Carpenter is your host. She was raised Fundy. She is out now. Look at her hair. It's purple. She's clearly not Fundy. But she used to be. And now she is a cult expert. My name's Gavi Ha Cohen. On this show, we talk about fundamentalism, cults, religion. We dig deep into the nitty, gritty details on a philosophical, operational, theological level. So if that's what you want, hit that subscribe button. You can also join our Patreon where you will get the episodes early.

And by early, I mean as soon as I'm done editing them, patrons also get longer episodes.

And the versions of the episodes that they get are also, you know, they have bonus content.

We go in depth about things that maybe the algorithm isn't going to love so much.

But we think is

interesting. That's available at patreon.com slash leaving Eden podcast. Sadie, do you have any thoughts

before we get started here? I cannot believe that I'm being forced to do another Dugger trial.

Another one. I honestly, I, like, I have been personally victimized by the Dugger family.

I think this is horribly unfair and nobody should have to do as much Dugger coverage as we have done.

But like if you're going to talk about fundamentalism, man, this is like...

Right. That's true. Like, well, you know, yeah, we created a perfect abuse enabling system.

Like almost with surgical precision, how to enable abuse.

This is the system that does it.

Right.

Like the IBLP is not, it's not like the only problem.

The IBLP, IFB, Christian patriarchy and Christian fundamentalism are all directly feeders of rape culture,

CSA, all of these things are connected to each other. So of course, they're connected to each other.

Like, it makes sense because it makes sense is something I say a lot on the show.

And also, like, yeah, I'm kind of angry that I have to come in and talk about it. I'm kind of angry that yet another Dugger has decided to be a abuser and criminal and piece of dirt. Yeah, I'm mad that I still have to do this. On this show, there will be zero victim speculation. It will not occur on this channel. If you came here for that, you won't find it here. No,

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