Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the Astrology podcast.

In this episode, I'm going to be talking with Astrologer's Catherine Urban and Patrick Watson

about calculating astrological charts by hand without the use of a computer or an app or a

mobile device or any other things. Hey, welcome, both of you.

Hey.

Hey, thanks for having us.

Yeah, all right. So this is a big topic, but we're going to have a nice little discussion here

and the purpose of this episode is not necessarily to teach people in detail how to calculate

charts by hand, but we're going to have kind of like a preliminary discussion to that where

we talk about the issue of calculating charts by hand, some of the things that are involved,

some of the resources that you need in order to do that, and where you would want to start if you

wanted to learn chart calculation. And then once you've listened to this discussion, I think everyone

will be in a much better position both in terms of where to go to start calculating charts by hand

as well as having some appreciation for why you might want to consider doing that or why it's

something that could be useful to each individual astrologer. So part of the genesis of this

discussion is we're talking Catherine and I were talking about this last summer because Catherine

actually released a whole e-dower video workshop on how to calculate charts by hand. And you really

said what a couple of years ago Catherine. Yeah, it was about two summers ago.

Okay, awesome. And then Patrick, you recently actually purchased Catherine's workshop went

through it, learned how to calculate charts by hand using it, and then you successfully took

an exam with the NCGR, the National Council for Geocosmic Research, where you had to do chart

calculation test with that and you actually successfully passed the test yesterday, right?

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