Welcome to the podcast. I actually run three other AI related shows. And I want to give a shout

out to all of them. The first is AI applied where I cover how to apply AI into your career. I host that

with Connor Grenin, the CEO of AI Mindset. The second one is AI Hustle. I actually played an

episode on this show a few days ago where I host that with Jamie McCulley and we break down how to

make money

grow and scale your business with AI. And the third is AI in faith where I cover how to use

AI to help grow your faith spiritually. So there's links in the description to all three of those shows.

But today I actually want to play an episode from the AI Applied Podcast, a conversation I had with Connor

Grennan. If you're interested in that show, you can go check it out and find more episodes

at the link in the description. If not, we'll go back to normal programming tomorrow,

but I wanted to give it a shout out because it is a show I'm super proud of, and we have a ton

of fun talking about what's going on with AI. Without further ado, let's get into the episode. Honor has been absolutely talking my ear off recently about a really interesting story

in Time magazine. It says what leaders get wrong about the ROI of AI. And we're actually talking

about this on the last podcast episode, I think a little bit as well. But this is a really important

question. And actually, this is something

I personally have been grappling with with one of my businesses in particular. I'll share some

funny stories. But just because AI can do something doesn't mean AI should do something because

you have to look at the ROI. And there's so many things that we have to balance. There's

incredible automations you can do, but what is the cost?

And sometimes the ROI is clear. Sometimes it's not. So we're going to get into all of that. kicking this over to you, Connor. What got you most excited about, I guess, this concept? Yeah. I mean, so I think I started to talk about this on the last podcast. Maybe I didn't. But anyway, so I was at Morgan Stanley just recently and really working with a big group over there about like ROI and what does ROI look like because I think that this is one of the big things. And we, so at A mindset, we get to, you know, roll out these enterprise partnerships with, you know, big organization, like Fortune 100 organizations like, you know, 25,000,000 people at a time. We kind of like roll out this course with. And one of the big questions, obviously they have Jaden is like, well, how do we measure ROI? And so we have like a few ideas on this, but like our thinking has evolved. So I'm going to kind of take us through just like a couple of ways of thinking about this. But then at the same time, Katie George, who I'm a big fan of she was over at McKinsey for a long time. It is now over at Microsoft wrote that piece in time about like ROI. And first of all, I really agree with sort of like what she was saying about this. But I'm also, you know, what she was sort of saying is essentially like people keep looking at this as if it's, you know, a new system or a new product that you put in place and all of a sudden your ROI jumps.

And she's like, it's just not like that. It's about how changing how people work. And we're like, that's exactly how we think. And so, Gene, just to sort of kick off this conversation that we, the way we think about this is, I'm going to give two ways that we think about this. Number one is we're already measuring ROI now every time we give somebody a salary.

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