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journalism. Hello, I'm Mac Kelly. And I'm Madancona. And this is the two mats for the weekending Friday

the 24th of May, the podcast that says, go phone an old friend and have good catch-up. Why does it say that,

Matt? Because we're talking about men we are and uh with the great

catlin moran yeah who's not a man who is not a man but has written a very good book about being

a man and she's uh she's going on tall she is with her book so you can go to her website and find

out all the dates but we had a great chat with her about it and the paperback of the book

it's called what about men isn't it what about men on june the sixthback of the book, it's called What About Men, isn't it? What About Men? On June the 6th.

June the 6th.

And Catlin is very, very candid.

And we talk about all sorts of topics that might be described as sensitive in some places.

Yeah, but it's, it was a very, very interesting and as you'd expect with her you know insightful and

witty and clever conversation from her side side i found it really enlightening actually no she's

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