What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening

Off the Chain, simply the best podcast in crypto. Let's kick this thing off.

Caitlin Long spent 22 years on Wall Street, including stints at Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse,

and Salomon Brothers. She's been a Bitcoin proponent since 2012 and most recently helped

the state of Wyoming adopt crypto-friendly legislation. In this conversation, we cover

why Wall Street may not be Bitcoin's friend, how the Bitcoin ETF could actually be a bad idea,

and whether or not Wall Street could actually

kill Bitcoin. I really enjoyed learning from Caitlin and hope you find this recording just as valuable

as I did. Anthony Pompliano is a partner at Morgan Creek Digital. All opinions expressed by

Pomp or his guests on this podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions

of Morgan Creek Digital or Morgan Creek Capital Management. You should not treat any opinion expressed

by Pomp as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular

strategy, but only as an expression of his opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes

only.

All right, guys. We're here with Caitlin Long. Super excited about this conversation.

Thank you so much for coming. It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you. It's nice to finally meet you.

Absolutely. Let's just go through your background, but I don't want you to kind of gloss over anything. I want you to actually go through every step of it so we can really get into kind of the Wall Street aspect and how you got into crypto. Been on, been in crypto since early, probably 2013. I discovered it in 2012. Didn't actually get my first bitcoins until 2013.

Had to keep my head down. So then the reason is because I was on Wall Street at that time.

I was running a business at Morgan Stanley and spent 22 years in total on Wall Street

from 94 through 2016 have a legal background, although I've never practiced law.

I've been a member of the bar

since way back when. And then prior to that, grew up in Wyoming, which is going to be relevant,

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