Hey folks, Joyce Vance here.

Preed is on vacation this week, so today I'm joined by a special guest co-host, Dan Goldman.

Dan, as many listeners may know, served his House Majority Council during the first impeachment of Donald Trump.

He also served under pre-dismassistant U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York.

And as usual, we have plenty of news to discuss.

Reports indicate that Manhattan DA's sidevance is close to bringing criminal charges against the Trump Organization, maybe even as soon as this week.

Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani is back in the news.

A New York appellate court suspended his law license for lying about election fraud on behalf of Trump.

And a Minnesota judge sentenced Derek Chauvin to 22 and a half years in prison for murdering George Floyd.

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We had a lot of listener questions about reporting that people from Trump organization and Trump's own lawyers were meeting with prosecutors in a last ditch effort to keep the organization from being indicted.

And many people were concerned that that's smacked of favoritism, but you know, in my experience and especially in a white collar case, you often meet with the defendant's lawyers right when you're in the run up to indicted.

And for one thing, in criminal cases, unlike in civil cases, there's not this robust discovery where the defendant is required to turn over all sorts of information to prosecutors.

And so often as a prosecutor, your best glimpse into the defense that the defendant is going to mount comes at this last stage where they're trying to convince you not to indict them.

And so that's the reality, Chuck, to make sure that you haven't missed anything in the evidence that you're not making a mistake and that your indictment really is is good to proceed.

So I think that these sorts of meetings are normal that there's no sort of favoritism being done here. Do you make anything of that?

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