Hey folks, Pete here. As many of you know by now, Ann Milgram, my co-host on the Cafe

and Sider podcast, has been nominated to lead the Drug Enforcement Administration, or DEA.

And we wish her well, and we'll miss her. But today I'm excited to share that my friend, Joyce Vance, will be my new co-host.

Joyce served as the US Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama when I was the US Attorney in Manhattan.

She is now a law professor at the University of Alabama School of Law, a frequent contributor for NBC and MSNBC,

and a co-host of the Sisters and Law podcast. To celebrate, we are making the full episode of Cafe and Sider free this week.

As you might expect, we discuss the closing arguments in the Derek Chauvin trial.

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We look forward to having you as a part of the insider community. And now on to the show.

It's about 5.40pm on Tuesday, April 20th. And earlier today, this morning, my new co-host on the Insider podcast, Joyce Vance and I,

recorded our first episode together. And we spent a lot of time talking about the summations in the Derek Chauvin case and what we thought about the relative strengths of the case brought by the prosecution.

But as the whole world knows by now, about 30 minutes ago, there was a verdict in the Chauvin case.

unanimous jury found beyond a reasonable doubt that former police officer Derek Chauvin was guilty on each of the three counts with which he was charged.

Murder in the second degree, murder in the third degree, and manslaughter in the second degree. And I thought I would just react quickly to the verdict.

And obviously I will have more to say about it and Joyce will have more to say about it and we'll have more to say about it together.

First reacting not as a lawyer or a prosecutor, but as an American and as a human being.

I feel enormous relief and gratitude that the verdict was reached and it was guilty on all counts.

I think we have been in something of a state of suspended animation in this country about what would happen in this case, given the videotape evidence,

given the common sense arguments that would be made in favor of conviction, that if this man couldn't be convicted, then what kind of justice could there be for anyone in this country?

Black, white or otherwise, but especially if you're brown or black.

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