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C. Thi Nguyen: "The Appearance of Winning"

The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

News, Daily News

4.53.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Today on The Gist, President Trump's marathon two-hour State of the Union address with a quick quiz: Can you spot the actual presidential claim among the fakes? Then, philosophy professor C. Thi Nguyen joins the show to discuss his book, The Score: How to Stop Playing Somebody Else's Game. They explore the philosophical definition of a game, the crucial difference between playing for the joy of the struggle ("striving play") versus playing just for the win ("achievement play"), and why cheating at charades is essentially insane. Finally, they dive into why our institutions are so obsessed with quantifiable metrics like GPAs and page views, how this strips away human nuance, and the inevitable trap of Goodhart's Law . Produced by Corey Wara Video and Social Media by Geoff Craig Do you have questions or comments, or just want to say hello? Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com For full Pesca content and updates, check out our website at https://www.mikepesca.com/⁠ For ad-free content or to become a Pesca Plus subscriber, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/ For Mike's daily takes on Substack, subscribe to The Gist List https://mikepesca.substack.com/ Follow us on Social Media:⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_bh0wHgk2YfpKf4rg40_g⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/pescagist/ X https://x.com/pescami TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@pescagist To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ad-sales@libsyn.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://advertising.libsyn.com/TheGist

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0:00.0

It's Wednesday, February 25th, 2026 from Peachfish Productions. It's The Gist. I'm not Mike Peska, as I'm sure you can tell. This is Michelle Pesca, wife and keeper of Mike. I'm standing in today because Mike went to a big podcast festival and forgot to send Corey the intro before he left. Corey and I have spent the last 30 minutes

0:21.8

desperately searching Mike's computer, calling, slacking, texting Mike to try to find the file. He's so

0:27.7

dedicated to his work, to the art of podcasting, and to this show that he rejected the outreach

0:32.6

from two of the most important people in his life. Well, we finally found the file. No thanks to him. And you'll hear

0:38.2

that next. So did I have to record this? No. But I wanted to take this opportunity to let you know

0:43.5

what we go through here at Peachfish Productions to make sure our beloved listeners get to hear our

0:47.5

show every day. And with that, I turn you over to Mike. Enjoy the show. And please wish us the best.

0:52.7

We clearly need your support.

0:57.2

And the state of the union is long.

0:58.6

Might still be ongoing.

1:03.4

And that seems kind of obvious, or it was to me after you woke me, not kidding,

1:07.6

not exaggerating and told me how long it went almost two hours.

1:11.8

So that might seem like something that you knew about just from hearing the numbers. But did you try to watch it? Did you try to stay inside of it? Did you try to picture

1:17.1

yourself as someone who might get something out of the state of the union and then just realize

1:22.7

how the length of it was working in opposition to whatever communicative ability or value it had.

1:30.8

Just to bend over backwards and say, I wonder what message the president wants to give.

1:35.4

Very hard to discern that given the length.

1:39.6

So I will now, since I went back and actually read the transcripts, I will now give you a State of the Union quiz.

1:46.2

Here are three things Trump actually said two of them and did not say one.

1:51.6

See if you, having woken up maybe at 4 a.m. after the state of the union was over for, I think, 45 minutes.

2:00.1

See if you could figure out what the real ones were and what the fake ones were.

2:04.6

Statement one, did Trump say, 35 million people said the prime minister of Pakistan would have died if it were not for my involvement?

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