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Well, welcome to this episode of the Hard Men Podcast.

I'm your host Derek Khan and joined today by the one the only bearded bald Norseman Dan Bergholder.

Thank you for having me. There is another Dan Berkeolder who is actually more famous. He's a photographer. Really? Yeah, but he spells his name B U RK. Is he bald? I don't know. I haven't seen a picture. It's not self-port portrait, so.

You're the only Dan Burkeholder that I care about Dan.

Dan, we're going to jump into this episode in just a minute.

We're going to be talking about CS Lewis and Narnia and some of his views which are very popular today on male

headship. Oh they're popular. Oh did I say popular? I meant people hate them. In fact, we'll get into it in just a minute but I had

posted something about CS Lewis and Headship from this is from the silver chair

so quotes from the book we We'll get into him.

But it was interesting because several people in the comments said, I have been a lifelong CS-Lewis fan and you have forever ruined that for me.

Well, it sounds like you're doing favors. I mean, if, yeah, if you're a raging feminist, get out.

That's all I got to say.

You're not allowed to be a CSLOS fan.

No, I mean, you didn't even have to interpret it.

No. Just read it. It was basically just reading it. Before we get into that though Dan you

had a rousing and I'm talking rousing appearance on well it's not yet up but it's going to be on

Instagram reels it's going to be on Twitter on X a rousing and I mean rousing appeal

for people to come to the conference.

Is there any way, I know I'm putting you on the spot, is there any way I can get you to

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