Welcome in special out kick the show. I am Clay Travis. You might well have heard me

converse with this man on his podcast here recently. He is Stephen A Smith of

E-SPN and we're gonna have a lot of fun. I think you guys are going to enjoy it and I can't

wait to bring him in but let's go ahead and bring in Stephen A now. We did a home and home.

I appreciate right off the top you having me on your

podcast several months ago when we talked then you said you would come on

you asked the questions last time I'll ask although I'm sure there'll be questions

going back and forth as both of us

are used to asking and answering questions. So let's start off right here. This is a question I

always like to ask. I wanted to be good at radio, writing, and TV because I saw Tony Kornheiser do it and do it so well with the Washington Post with his local radio show and then obviously

with PTI which is probably the most iconic certainly sports show I would say

of the last 25 years or so beyond a shadow of a doubt I think you'd

probably agree with that too. So I'm curious for you right off the top. You have

had success writing, you've had success on radio, you've had success on TV.

Which is harder, which do you like more,

how would you assess the different challenges of each discipline,

and was it your goal?

Was there someone you saw who was good at all three

that you sought to emulate in your career in some capacity? Well I would say to you

the hardest is writing obviously so just, just finished writing a book, a bestseller.

I'll never want to write a book again every in life.

I don't want any parts of it, okay?

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